Thanks a lot again Teol vai for quick sharing.

Ajker performance e Muhin and Ronty ke best mone hoyese amar. and then Salma and Nisitha. But I have noticed some facts in the program also in the eyes of judges.
First of all, It should an equal opportunity for all the clntestants. They showed some previews of the original film during Muhin's and Ronty's performance but what abt the others?? If they dont have any clips for other songs they must not show it only for two contestants. Because of these clips their songs looked visually more appealing than others. Though I beleive that Muhin and Ronty performed better than others but still it should be equal opportunity for everyone.
Next thing is the attitude of the judges. We are general people, some of us like Salma, some of us like Muhin or Ronty and we try to express our feelings in different forums. Judges do have their personal likings and dislikings too but they must not mix up their personal likings with their professional and neutral judgement. Even ajker show dekhanor agei Fahmida nobi paper e interview diyese ei bole .. Muhin er performance khub valo silo and Salma oto valo korte pareni. This is not fair. I also lile Muhin and Ronty but even being an ordinary person I am not trying to force anyone. I know there are lots of people who likes Salma more than anyone and I am not going to argue with them saying .. hei dont be emotional, be rational and so and so. But judges are doing this kind of things. They are not ordinary people, all the closeup1 viewers are listening their comments and Great power comes with Great responsibility. Where is their responsibility?? Even sometimes one of them saying to some contestants that .. u r a Kohinur Diamond and other is trying to prove that she is not even glass (remember PUTUL??).

Salma and Nisita .. I guess both of them appeared to be Frankenstein to the judges. Suru thekei Salma and Nisitha ke ektu besi posondo kore eseche judge ra. 2nd Rond e Salma er gaan sesh e Bulbul er kotha bondho hoye jawa or Nisitha er gaan sune Fahmida nobi er .. ki bolbo ami, ja bolar tumi e bole dao .. ei bole vasha hariye fela. Muhin, Kisore and Ronty keo jugde ra praise korese suru thekei but Salma and Nisitha ke surute jevabe praise korese oder to koreni. And Now ei dujon jokhon judge der point or comment er porowa na korei onek sms passe judge ra tokhon ki ektu palti kheye gelo naki?? Ajke Nisitha and Salma dujonkei samanno rude comment korese FN eijonne bollam ei kotha gulo. I am sure sujog pele Salma ke aro kisu negative bolto FAhmida Nobi but Bulbul er voy e bolte pareni. Putul er case e to sudhu khepe giyesilo Bulbul, Salma ke niye besi kisu ulta palta bolle maramari lagiye dite pare.

However, amar eto lomba boktobber uddesso particular kono performer ke support kora na. I was just confused with the attitude of the closeup1 organizers and Judges. Hotath kore Salma and Nisitha er tader favourite child the step child e porinoto hober karon bujhte parsi na. Eta ki Jonogon er vote ar tader point na milar karone jealousy or ego problem naki onno kisu?? Goto 2 round theke unara din raat jonogon ke upodesh diye jassen jati, dhormo, elaka, institution eisob niye biased na hoye or emotional na hoye perfectly judge korte. But they should follow their advice first and show an example to the viewers.

So , many good comments , after a long thought , I found my choice :) , hope you guys will like her too :) ......

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Before criticizing the judges, lets first decide what should be the responsibility of the judges when they are asked to comments. Do we expect them to ALWAYS say "Your performance was very good. Best wishes for you." ? If we feel that that is the RIGHT thing to do, then the judges shouldn't be given microphone at all. After all, we want them to say the SAME thing for all the contestants. If that is the criteria of judges' performance, then Fahmida Nobi is indeed doing a bad job - and Joya was a terrific judge for this round!

On the other hand, if someone feels that when judges are asked to comment they should do some sort of critical evaluation then Fahmida Nobi is doing the best job. She has the guts to call a spade a spade. People are offended this time because she criticized Salma. But all those who vote based on performance (not blindly based on performer) more or less agree that Salma's performance wasn't up to the mark this time. Her expression was excellent but her delivery wasn't. Fahmida Nobi simply pointed that out. I find nothing wrong it as I do not want all judges to be like "Joya" or "Farzana Shakil" whose only job is to praise each and every singer profusely.

if you look at other similar programs such as "american idol" or "indian idol" (i think the idea of closeup1 comes from these contests), the judges do criticize the contestants much much more even though those programs are fully judged by sms/votes. I even remember Sonu Nigam and Anu Malik in the idian idol program harshly criticizing the public votes which did not reflect the performances of the contestants.

I would rather want the judges to be balanced and they should critique the contestants consistently and fairly.

thanks for the old songs. as usual amar kase ajker best mone hoese muhin and ronti. :flamethro

predict, after salma become the closeup1, then what's gonna happen?

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those who r smart they can answer this question

Well said tayabur bhai. Aapni thik-i bolsen. Judge-ra akhon nirlojjer moto Muhin & Ronty-r jonno vote chaichhe. Jodio IMO, Muhin & Ronty last koekta round-er best performers kintu judge-der kono contestant-er proti biased howata ami noitik vaabe support korte parchhi na. Public biased hote paare kintu judge-der biased howa uchit na.
Judge-ra kintu shuru thekei ei kaaj ta kore ashchhen. Salma & Nishita-ke niye je hype-ta toiri hoechhe, taar shuru-ta kintu judge-der madhdhomei. Taara shobai mile oder 2 jonke uthiye diechhen abar akhon chachchen je ora jano Closeup1 na hoy, in other words, Muhin & Ronty jano 1st 2 joner modhdhe thake. It's not fair.

Anyways, Muhin & Ronty boraborer moto ei round-e o vaalo perform korechhe. Kishor-er performance-o khub vaalo chhilo. IMO, ei rounder performance onujai-
1. Muhin
2. Kishor
3. Ronty
4. Nishita
5. Salma.
Ami jaani oneker ei classification akdom pochhondo hobe na, it's solely my opinion.

Tayabur,

long but good comments. 100% agreed.

napolean,

The way marks are divided, 50% for judges and 50% for the audience, I think, judges should not say anything that can affect the audience while they are voting. See, the judges should care about the correctness of the song, 'suur ta kothay lageni', they have to decide it based on the grammar. But the audience are not expected to care about the grammar. They will decide 'suur ta kothay lageni' based on the appeal of the song. If the singer can move their emotion, they will vote. Now, as a music illiterate, if I find from Fahmida Nobi that the singer made these many mistakes, I will hesitate to vote for him/her, even though I was moved by his/her song. This is complete injustice to the contestant, as well to the audience.

Some people argue the 'learning' thing. See, this is a competition. If the judges want to teach the contestants, they can do it after the contest and not in public. ANd you see, the judges are not always correct. If you can remember the Bulbul-Fahmida incident about Putul......

Moreover, the judges are not handling the things equally for each of them. For some contestants, they find the faults, for others, they dont. In the previuos round, Salma received such a poor marks. Did they explain which mistakes she made? Badhon in her last round received poor marks; but she was praised by every one of them. So, these comments are not proprtional to the performance. Why making them then?

Ferdous,

I salute you for your courage to say what should be the truth, though I rate Salma's song much better than Nishita's.

Actually, I dont like the concept of all-rounders, that means being able to sing 'all types' of songs. You dont need to be perfect in every type of song. If you want to be, then the probability is very high that you become a mediocre singer in each field. Salma and Nishita both are excellent ones in their fields. And it is injustice to make them sing everything! Anyway, if this is the concept of the competitiob, we have to respect it to be fair and vote completely based on the performance at each round, not what he/she did in the previous round and what else 'imaginary stuff' he or she will be able to do in the future.

All of them are personal opinion. You dont have to agree. :)
Have fun!

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Thanks Teol Bahi for this program. I have few observations about the closeup1 this time. The judges always talk about Bangla culture and its origin. But I haven’t found the Polligeti Round this time which was present in the previous occasion. There were many episodes but they dropped that special round. Now we have 5 participants and I haven’t heard 4 of them singing any Polli Giti at all. I have no doubt about the performance of Muhin and Ronty but they haven’t sung any such song. So if closeup1 should be able to perform all types of songs, why this one is neglected? If I am not wrong this is an inseparable part of the bangle culture. We know how good salma and polash are in these songs. Salma is performing modern songs now and getting harsh comments from the judge but this is not her area. Why not put others in her area and observe how they perform/ I believe they will do good but people should know about it. If they are so concern about the culture they should think about this attitude. There is one episode to go and I am sure that it will be deshatoo bodhok song.

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i agree with you more than 100%. why polligiti is neglected? there should be a round for only mystical and folksongs. then we will be able to see that the participants are able to sing all kind of songs. as you said, 4 of them never sang any folk or polligiti, so how we can judge them that they can sing all kinds of songs? such kind of comments from the judges are irrelavant!

it is clear now that judges, especially Kumar and Fahmida are openly against Salma and Nishita. they shouldnt propogate agaisnt someone or campaign for someone who like!

thanks for the posts!

Amaar moner kothaguli bhasay prokash korar jonno onek onek dhonnobaad !

Babu
Delray Beach,FL

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Long Live BT !

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thanks for the comments. i was reading all the posts carefully to see the views of people. nothing is impossible. there are theories and anti-theories that is conspracy theory. who knows what uniliver has to do with Bangla culture. but it is sure that without profit nobody would move a single step. but it is anyway a good idea even for their marketing and for our culture.

a few questions i was thinking over after reading some posts above:

1. why closeup1 producer added some background captions with only two of the contesters???

2. why Kumar and Fahmida were advocating for certain persons?

3. after some of the conteters' perfomence why are they complaining against people for not voting for them enoguh!

4. why those two judges openly bashing only some of the contesters?

5. all rounder means to be able to sing all kinds of songs. did other sing folklore that has roots with our culture? "the answer is blowing in the wind!"

6. europe and usa tour means lots of money needed to be invested. if the audience dont like folklore then the whole idea will be collapsed. they may consider it from the experience of last years' tour!!!

Thanks Teol bhai for your reply.I have read all the posts on this thread as well and tried to understand what people are actually thinking about.The questions you listed were in my mind as well, I just added one of my suspicition in my pervious post.Thanks once again for listing and posting them in order.

1) CloseUp1 producers added some film song scenes on two contestants:
It could simply be an attempt to make the programme more attractive to viewers as a part of marketing policy(may be NTv), if so it should have been done either for all the contestants equally or for none at all, as it is a compitition. If it has been done to promote some partcular contestants to boost up their public image/acceptance as a part of marketing policy of the sponcer or organizer(just assuming),nothing could be unfortunate than that:(

2)+3)+4):
It is highly debatable,'Should the judges comment on mistakes(!)';
'Should they comment equivocally on all the performers regardless of mistakes' or 'They should not be given microphone at all'.All of them have pros and cons. I said in an erlier thead that this compitition is not a laboratory test, you cant be precise in all aspects.What ever it is, not the issue now.Being bit pessimistic and trying to make 2+2=4 ,by assuming that the organizers(could be a combination of sponcer,broadcaster, judges or could be individuals)tried to promote the programme by boosting up the public involvence in the erlier stage of the compitition by capitalizing Salma's and Nishita's performences(as they sang undubtedly well and popular songs) for commercial purpose, and now at the final stage of the programme they are looking for the greater interests('will explain latter)in the long run, How does it sound?
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All rounder:capable of singing all types of song. Fare enough.They have been screeming(!) to promote and represent Bangla culture,so contestants were being examined in different form of bangla songs.Hang on a minute! Dont you think Rabindra sangeet and Nazrul sangeet [recognised as the puriest (grammatical) form of bangal song, as their composition(sworolipi) has been done by the writer themselves] is bangla culture?Same applies to floke songs as well.Is band song greater criteria than those in terms of testing someone's allrounder capability?why it is always the song of last 50 years? Bangla culture is 1000 years old( we often say that).So what we are promoting? Can you feel any commercial interests here? Can you remenber AI Bulbul said Closeup1 is questionable as a fullfil compitition and next day he strongly criticized and vowed on its favour that no one can do that?was it a slip of tongue after PUTUL disqualified and recovery afterward?

6) if you summerise all of the above points it becomes the same what TeolABM bhai mentioned on his post at #6. Those who are investing money they will not let it go in vein, they will bring it back by times; not only by selling closeup toothpaste or ponds:) .There are some other ways.This may involve top performers carreer and their populariy in the long run,which I said as long run commercial interests.

I have tried to find the answers on my way from myself and from different posts of BT members.You may name it an 'anti theory' or 'conspiracy theory',as some of us may find it a 'bilnd' or 'biased' opinion (as they used to call it often) , its upto you. This is just a Pessimistic view,and I hope it doesn't come true.

Durnitibaz desher manus to tai sob durnibaz idea mathay ashe, never mind:nono:
Thanks a lot for wasting your valuable time if you have read this crap:)

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Ba besh, gothonmulok alochana hosse, ajonno shobai-k dhonnobad. Amar priyo participants (Bappi, Mona, Poran) bad pore jaowate hot discussion e ar participate korsi na. Tobe akti katha moja kore na bole parsi na....

Ore koto katha bolere!

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Thanx tarunno, TeolABM & shan bhai for raising some important issues and your valuable opinions regarding these. I must agree with u regarding these issues. Those are also my opinions which shan pointed out in #34. I wanna add to yr comment regarding Fahmida & K.B.'s biasness towards Muhin and Ronty. Although I like these 2 contestants very much, I don't like judges' biasness towards them. Judges r also human beings so they can like any contestant & send sms for them. But when they r acting as judges, they shouldn't show any biasness towards any contestant. When they were showing these towards Salma & Nishita in previous rounds, I didn't like it. Now they r doing the same for other 2 contestants, I still don't like this. They should be fair at least in front of media.

Another issue is 'Polli giti'. U r right that this genre should have been also included like last year. I would like to see how Muhin & Ronty perform in this genre.

1 thing came into my mind in the last year after watching Closeup1 which I'm expressing here, Closeup1 is said to be a hunt for a singer who is able to perform different types of songs (that means ! Jack of all trades, master of none). Could they reform this program like following?
After coming to best 10 contestants, they can arrange different rounds for all 10 contestants- Oldies, Polli giti, Band music, Patriotic songs etc etc. After all these rounds they can combinely calculate the result & announce the 10 places among top 10.
What do u think?

thanks to shan and ferdous for making the discussion more attractive and clear. hope someday we will see all contesters are singing all types of songs and then they will given point upon their over all performences, not for only one song.

thanks to all!