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Reading A unified Bengal

OK everyone I want everyone’s opinion on this. If given the chance should Bangladesh and West Bengal become one this is considering the fact that it was once unified.
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OK everyone I want everyone’s opinion on this. If given the chance should Bangladesh and West Bengal become one this is considering the fact that it was once unified .
It was never unified and never will in billions years. Even those people don’t speak Bangla anymore. They speak Bengali; it is two different dialects, ie, two different languages. Well we the people from Bangladesh need more lands, so someday we would annexes some land up to Farakka, as well as Tripura and Assam.

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Re: A unified Bengal

Don't know what your problem is bro, i suggest that you reread your history. The part that was not part of Bengal was Sylhet(Assam), anyway i was asking people's opinion and not a biggotted one at that.Now you have a good day, oh and do some reading it might help.
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Have you tried Mr. Nehru’s “The Glimpse of the world history” or at least “Aamee ShuBhash Bolsi”.As far as I know Dhaka and surrounding s are always belongs to Bangladesh even you go through the last 2000 years history, Read the book of the world famous historian MunTaSirr Mamun,” The History of Dhaka” or the “AkBar Nama” written by the great mughol emperor then you would realize what I am talking about. To the contrast Calcutta has history of not more than 200 years. Even The India had been divided by the people from Dhaka by “Dhaka GhoShoNa” by 1903 ( I guess ).What I am trying to say The so called West Bengal is always run by the people from Dhaka (except those 1857-1947). I really don’t understand what you want from here. All I understand “The Peoples republic of Bangladesh” would be over populated 50 years later. That time we have to annex Farakka, some part of Asaam, MeghaLoy, and Tripura”.
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Even those people don’t speak Bangla anymore. They speak Bengali; it is two different dialects, ie, two different languages.
LoL..., could you plz elaborate a little more on this?

And, even within Bangladesh, people from different regions speak in different dialects. So, according to your theory, that makes them people of different languages, not really Bangali.... !
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Well said Jammi bhai, you see he is only telling us what he wants to believe and not the whole picture as it realy is.
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It was never unified and never will in billions years. Even those people don’t speak Bangla anymore. They speak Bengali; it is two different dialects, ie, two different languages. Well we the people from Bangladesh need more lands, so someday we would annexes some land up to Farakka, as well as Tripura and Assam.

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Bangladeshi culture is, in many respects, inseparable from that of greater Bengal. Beginning in the early 19th century a majority of the most widely read and admired Bengali writers and artists, Hindu as well as Muslim, worked for a time in the Indian metropolis of Calcutta (now Kolkata). Thus began the Bengal Renaissance, a cultural movement among Bengalis in Calcutta that reached its height in the early 20th century. After the capital of British India was moved from Calcutta to New Delhi in 1911, Calcutta continued to be a center of Bengali culture. The writers of the Bengal Renaissance were the pioneers of modern Bengali literature. Poet Michael Madhusudan Datta broke with established tradition to write Bengali poetry in the blank verse style, and the novelist and essayist Bankim Chandra Chatterjee wrote what is considered the first Bengali novel, Durgeshnandini (1865). The Hindu writer, artist, and philosopher Rabindranath Tagore (in Bengali, Ravīndranātha Thākura) earned distinction as the first non-European writer to be awarded the Nobel Prize in literature, in 1913 for his volume of poems Gitanjali (Song Offerings, 1910). Several contemporaries of Tagore also gained recognition for their works. Most notably, Kazi Nazrul Islam became the first widely acclaimed Muslim Bengali writer. Today he is revered in Bangladesh as the voice of Bengali independence and nationalism. Common themes in many Bengali works include rural life, class conflict, and human struggle. Painting, sculpture, and architecture were strongly influenced by Muslim rule in the region during the 16th and 17th centuries (see Islamic Art and Architecture). Modern painting was pioneered by Zainul Abedin, Kamrul Hassan, and S. M. Sultan, among others. Their abstract and realist paintings achieved international renown, including Abedin’s black-and-white sketches of the Calcutta famine of 1943. Many of their works are part of the permanent collection of the Bangladesh National Museum. Classical, light-classical, devotional, and popular music enjoy a wide following in Bangladesh. Classical forms include Hindustani devotional songs . The principal schools of classical Indian dance, including bharata natyam and kathakali, are performed by professional dance troupes of Bangladesh. The manipuri is a traditional and widely popular devotional dance that has both classical and folk forms. Bengali folk dances are commonly performed during festivals and other special occasions. Folk music styles include baul, devotional songs that often combine Hindu and Muslim themes and are performed by wandering mystics. Traditional musical instruments of Bangladesh include the banshi (bamboo flute), dhole (wooden drums), and dotara (a two-stringed instrument).
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Spanish vs. Spanish• The differences between Spanish from Spain and Mexican Spanish are greater than those one might find when comparing American and British English. The territory of contemporary Mexico is not coextensive with what might be termed Mexican Spanish. First, the Spanish of the Yucatán Peninsula is distinct from all other forms, both in intonation and in the incorporation of Mayan words. The Spanish spoken in the areas that border Guatemala resembles the variation of Central American Spanish spoken in that country, where the voseo is used. Secondly, the waves of 19th and 20th century migration from Mexico to the United States have caused Mexican Spanish to become the most widely spoken variety of Spanish in the United States, except in the East Coast (e.g. Miami). The Spanish spoken in the Gulf Coastal areas of Veracruz and Tabasco is also distinctive – at least at the level of vernacular speech – as the Spanish spoken there exhibits more Caribbean phonetic traits than that spoken in the remainder of Mexico.

Arabic Vs. Arabic
• Egyptian Arabic is spoken by around 76 million in Egypt. It is one of the most understood varieties of Arabic.
• Maghreb Arabic includes Moroccan, Algerian, Tunisian, and Libyan Arabic, is spoken by around 60 million people, though it is not fully understood between Arabs of the east.
• Levantine Arabic includes Syrian, Lebanese, Palestinian, Jordanian, and Cypriot Arabic, is spoken by almost 35 million people. It's also called Mediterranean Arabic. It is one of the most understood varieties of Arabic.
• Gulf Arabic, includes Nejdi Arabic, is spoken by around 34 million people in the Gulf States and Eastern and Central Saudi Arabia. It is one of the most understood varieties of Arabic.
• Iraqi Arabic, is spoken by about 29 million people in Iraq. With significant differences between the Arabian-like dialects of the south and the more conservative dialects of the north.

And so does Bangla Vs. Bengali
I just don’t understand why this gentleman is longing for unified Bangla or is it some kind of conspiracy against the “People’s Republic of Bangladesh”? But one thing I am sure he is Patient of “Superiority Complex”, (need psychiatric treatment I guess) other he never ever think me as an ignorant person to read the history books.
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Re: A unified Bengal

Bangladesh is characterized by a unique coming together of many races, languages and religions. Its culture is a distinctive composite to which Jains, Buddhists, Hindus, Vaisnavas and Muslims have all contributed. From time to time Bangladesh searches for its roots as if trying to put back the missing parts in its long history.It is not easy to give a historical account of ancient Bengal. There is very little recorded history of the land, language, and its people. The history of Bengal is one of the most complex in the world.

The territory inhabited by Bengal-speaking people goes beyond the boundary of Bengal, which stretches from the Himalayas in the north to the Bay of Bengal in the south, from Brahmaputra, Kangsa, and Surma in the east to Nagar, Barakar and Suvarnerekha in the west. The majority of people in the western areas are Hindus, while in the east Muslims predominate. Although there are strong feeling towards Bengali and Bangladeshi nationalism, broadly speaking the term Bengal designates the Bengali-speaking area.
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Re: A unified Bengal

In 1905 Bengal was divided and East Bengal and Assam Province were created. Even after the creation of Pakistan in 1947, the eastern Province of Pakistan was known as East Bengal until 1956. In 1971 East Pakistan finally became a totally independent country. This is the history of Bangladesh, which took a thousand years to become an independent identity.
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Re: A unified Bengal

OK, Babu bhai, First of all, thanks a lot for the elaboration.
But, unfortunately, you have got it all wrong. I will try to explain why.

First, let us ask: How much do the languages of the different regions Bangladesh vary among themselves as they vary from those from regions in West Bengal?
Answer is : the variation is similar when you look within Bangladesh or compare with West Bengal, not more not less. Because, inspite of the political divide, Bengal is one land. You may not like it, but you can't deny it either.

Now, you tried to compare Arabic Vs. Arabic etc with Bangla Vs. Bengali, which is Wrong and misleading.

All the variants of Arabic mentioned by you are derivatives of Classical Arabic, just as the All Indian (subcontinent) Languages (Including Bangla) are derivatives of Sanskrit, which is a archaic language. So is Classical Arabic. To clarify, these Sanskrit-derived Languages are also heavily influenced by Other classical languages like Arabic and Persian.

Now, obviously, Marathi, Oriya, Bengali, Assamese, etc languages are ill-understood by those who don't speak these. A bengali won't understand Marathi and so on....
This is wherer your analogy fits in. i.e.,
Arabic Vs. Arabic• <=>Bangla Vs. Marathi/Oriya/Assamese. etc
and not as you have misplaced it.

Fianlly, let us agree on a few (random !) points:
1. Re-union of Bengal is not a ground reality. Bangladesh is a sovereign nation and West Bengal is a province of India, and will be so in future.
2. The main (and I believe, only) difference between the two Bengals is the Religious demography.
3. The cultural heritage of Both Bengals is (very obviously) one and unique.
4. People from Bengal keep their Identity as a "Bangali" ahead of any other identity (It has been proved in 1952 and 1971). We all take pride in being a Bengali (Bangali....LoL). And Believe me it is same with Indian Bengali too. They take great pride in their Bengaliness (Bangaliaana)....
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Bangladesh is characterized by a unique coming together of many races, languages and religions. There is very little recorded history of the land, language, and its people. The history of Bengal is one of the most complex in the world.The territory inhabited by Bengal-speaking people goes beyond the boundary of Bengal, which stretches from the Himalayas in the north to the Bay of Bengal in the south, from Brahmaputra, Kangsa, and Surma in the east to Nagar, Barakar and Suvarnerekha in the west. The majority of people in the western areas are Hindus, while in the east Muslims predominate. Although there are strong feeling towards Bengali and Bangladeshi nationalism, broadly speaking the term Bengal designates the Bengali-speaking area.
I guess above history is written by some ill paid historians from some propaganda organization trying to destroying the good images of our beloved sovereign and independent country Bangladesh. But guys we have to realize we live in the information ages nothing could be hide from the truth.

The real history is ( which is writen by some well paid hitorian) :

India is characterized by a unique coming together of many races, languages and religions. Its culture is a distinctive composite to which Jains, Buddhists, Hindus, Vaisnavas and Christian have all contributed. From time to time India searches for its roots as if trying to put back the missing parts in its long history.It is not easy to give a historical account of ancient India or Raam RaJotto. There is very little recorded history of the land, language, and its people. The history of India is one of the most complexes in the world.

The territory inhabited by Indian people goes beyond the boundary of India, which stretches from the Himalayas in the north to the Indian Ocean in the south, from Brahmaputra, Kangsa, and Surma in the east to Nagar, Barakar and Suvarnerekha in the west. The majority of people in the western areas are Indo-Aryan descent, while in the south are native Dravidian predominate. Although there are strong feeling towards Indian and Indian nationalism, broadly by the term designates the Hindi speaking area.
This is the history of India, which took a thousand years to become an independent identity, so they should annexed by the al mighty Pakistan by forced so, they could survived from the wrath of Lord Vishnu, the GOD.
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OK, Babu bhai, First of all, thanks a lot for the elaboration.
But, unfortunately, you have got it all wrong. I will try to explain why.
4. People from Bengal keep their Identity as a "Bangali" ahead of any other identity (It has been proved in 1952 and 1971). We all take pride in being a Bengali (Bangali....LoL). And Believe me it is same with Indian Bengali too. They take great pride in their Bengaliness (Bangaliaana)....
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I guess above history is written by some ill paid historians from some propaganda organization trying to destroying the good images of our beloved sovereign and independent country Bangladesh. But guys we have to realize we live in the information ages nothing could be hide from the truth.

The real history is ( which is writen by some well paid hitorian) :

India is characterized by a unique coming together of many races, languages and religions. Its culture is a distinctive composite to which Jains, Buddhists, Hindus, Vaisnavas and Christian have all contributed. From time to time India searches for its roots as if trying to put back the missing parts in its long history.It is not easy to give a historical account of ancient India or Raam RaJotto. There is very little recorded history of the land, language, and its people. The history of India is one of the most complexes in the world.

The territory inhabited by Indian people goes beyond the boundary of India, which stretches from the Himalayas in the north to the Indian Ocean in the south, from Brahmaputra, Kangsa, and Surma in the east to Nagar, Barakar and Suvarnerekha in the west. The majority of people in the western areas are Indo-Aryan descent, while in the south are native Dravidian predominate. Although there are strong feeling towards Indian and Indian nationalism, broadly by the term designates the Hindi speaking area.
This is the history of India, which took a thousand years to become an independent identity, so they should annexed by the al mighty Pakistan by forced so, they could survived from the wrath of Lord Vishnu, the GOD.
I suggest that you cross reference everthing instead of changing words to suite your side of the debate. Why didn't you mention the partition of Bengal(did it not happen in your version if history), you version seems like a taxi drivers version where some fact is mixed with a lot of gibberish and turned in to an unplatterble soup.
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Interesting discussion. Please keep it clean and do not attack anyone personally. Many Thanks.
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