This is the month of December: The month of victory. This may not be worth mentioning that we made the final victory of nine month long liberation war in 16th December 1971 and achieved independence.
To some of us it might just seem as a part of history and a very old point to talk about. Yes, undoubtedly it is a part of our history and the important most also; Yes it is old, 36 years passed away, a long time indeed. But still this is an essential issue to discuss, particularly among the generation born after the liberation.

The baby born in 1971 is a 36 year old person and those born latter are even younger. Nevertheless, a person aged between 30 -35 is expected to be on the pick of his/her carrier or on the way close to there, under usual circumstances and serving the country from their individual perspective. Those who are younger ,are preparing themselves for the upcoming future.
As I believe, “Youth is the best time to serve country” and “Youth are the driving force of a country”; it seems, more or less ,‘the generation’ after the liberation is or on the way of leading the country and serving the nation in their individual sectors of preference.

After 36 years ,perhaps on the beginning (may be it’s already late; but better late than never)of a new era led by the generation born after the liberation ,a very important question arises before them .Where are we now? Are we there where we should be? Are we going on the right way to achieve that, what our former generation fought for? How much they have left for us to do? If we are not in the right track, which one is right? If we are behind our goal ,what is pulling us backward? And what is our duty to make our Bangladesh as we all have dreamt it ever since?

The whole point of commencing the discussion in this thread is to exchange views with the BT members on the above concern as most BT members are of the generation after the independence .And
of course ,those who have seen Bangladesh being born, their views are the most important for the generation next.
I hope you all would find this a considerable issue to discuss among us and share your valuable opinion. I also hope your views, discussions; criticisms and recommendations will make this thread interesting and help us to find our way to a enlighten Bangladesh we dream for.

Thanks to you all.

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yess.... this indeed is a matter of discussion.... but bro... i have a bojection... u said "we made the final victory of nine month long liberation war in 16th December 1971 and achieved independence.".... what do u mean "we"....?? if u mean "we" as "bangladeshi", then i afraid, u r wrong... we never made the final victory.... pakistani army never surrender to us... they directly surrendered to Indian armed force...

amra 37 years kon sadhinotar pichone chutlam...?? jeta amader nijer na.... emon ek sadhinota....!! amader rajnitibid der ekta ostro chara r kichui na ei sadhinota.... sadhinotar jonno jara juddho korlo... banglar krishok, sromik, nimno bitto sosito manush ra.... tara ekhono poradhin.... 37 bochoreo amra tader jonno kaj korar lok pai nai.... so ami bolbo... sadhinota niyer kotha na bolai valo.... amra ekhono poradhin... age chilam pakistan er kase... ekhon onno kono ekadhik soktir kase... muk kharap kore gali dite ichha kortesay 37 bochor er sokol rajnitibid der k.... but genarel discussion dekhe biroto thaklam...

[quote=tanbin;81340]we never made the final victory.... pakistani army never surrender to us... they directly surrendered to Indian armed force...

Ah the old North and South Korea debate by the looks of it, so this means that we are still at war with that country called Pakistan.

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[quote=mostaque;81365]may b... but u see.. pakistan surrendered our victory/liberty to india... i hope u can understand what that means....

[quote=tanbin;81401]Yes I do, but it would be nice if they acknowledged what they did to our country. You see i speak to a lot of pakistanis and they are ignorant to the fact that they committed a lot of war crimes in Bangladesh, it is not taught in their schools and mind you I don't think they are sorry of the incident. Some will say let bygones be bygones but how does one consol all those people who were the victims of these crimes.

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Dear Tanbin,

Hope you are doing good. My friend, before you say Pakistan surrendered to India, you need to know your history a little bit more. Correct me if I am wrong, "Gen Osmani was the leader of the armed forces during the liberation war. And Indian forces under the command of Gen Arora, who I believe was Brig. Gen at that time, served under Gen Osmani.” Unlike the Indian forces, Gen Osmani did not sit and drink tea, he was in the front. And when Gen Niazi decided to surrender, Indian forces asked Gen Osmani to move from Dhaka and go to a front as many of the places the Pakistani army was still fighting. So I strongly believe that many Pakistani officers did not like Niazi’s decision. As we all know, Mirpur was not liberated on 16 Dec, in fact it was the end of Dec. And as the commander of the Armed forces was away for Bangladesh and The shadow Govt. was running from Calcutta, Gen Arora took over and Niazi surrendered. It was all an Indian politics that we did not understand that time.

How many Indian army forces fought in Bangladesh? They trained us, they gave us food, as they were looking for a victory over the Pakistanis which they never got in the 1965 and 1969 war. They helped us and then while leaving emptied our resources. What ever the Pakistanis could not take in 1971.

Now regarding your comment on, “amra 37 years kon sadhinotar pichone chutlam...?? jeta amader nijer na.... emon ek sadhinota”. You have any idea what are you talking about? You are talking about my country and you dare to say I am not independent? It is because of people like you who let the politicians do what ever they want. Because if there is another war, you will not go and fight. You will be hiding like all these in 1971 (Tofael, Rajjak etc.) and later will cry that you did this and that.

See if you can do something rather than saying what the country did for you. Country gave you a name, an identity. What did you do? How much you are willing to sacrifice to make this country the best one in the world.

Bangladesh is presented as an example to many (al most all) third world countries as a role model. Yes we have many problems and political unrest, But family planning, economics, farming, happiness etc. Not some thing I made up, you will find many videos on youtube. Check them out sometimes.

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my dear friend russo, hope u fought well in 71... and still fighting... 37 years of fighting...and what u get....?? i donno... but yess... i'll say we r not independent yet... tell me a way where u think u have independence... our politicians say they bring independence for a secular nation... they say they bring it for a new country... this and that... bla bla... but if u have the time go and tok to thos farmers and thos workers... they only fight to leave... they fight for the betterment of their economic condition... they fight to live a better lyf... if u have the time, stop ur fighting and see them still starving... dieing like road dogs... we have a muktijuddha punor bason kendro....the roof of that building was falling apart... bangladesh cricketers came and finance them to repair the building.... while the queen shek hasina were trying to make the "banga vaban" to her property.... do u think the independence is for some filthy politicians wealth....?? then we r very much independent my friend.... but if u think it's for mass.... than we r no where closer to it...
we did not understand indian politics that that time.u r rit... but i guess u dont believe that the surrender took place in 5min or in an hour...there were enough time to bring back Osmani. and even if there were not enough time, he could have name another Bangladesh man to sign the surrender.... but i donno, if there were a single bangladeshi army were presen during the surrender.... if M.A.G.Osmani was in command, then how come Arora command him to go to some other place, when they were so close to victory....? i dont have the knoledge...i'm asking u... how did he do that....?? even i found in wikipedia that G.arora was in command of the india bangladesh alliance force....it was not only indian politics brother...we didnt understand the bangladesh politics as well... some times i feel like gini pigs... india intentionally used us to bit pakistan in their war... and our politicians alwayz helped them... no offence bro... i love my country a lot... i respect the woriors a lot... but i dont trust a single politicians of this country... not even shek mujib...
friend...please keep watching youtube and hopefully u'll find Bangladesh is rulling the world anytime soon... i'm not watching youtube...i see the facts... Vietnam was liberated long after Bangladesh... go and find out what r thay doing in farming.... Bangladesh had to think about importing crops from Vietnam... didn't u see that on youtube....?? just 2/3 dayz back, saiek siraj made a report... water pump owners take 1/4th of the cultivated crops by force... where is ur liberation brother...??
but u'll find liberetion... when they free the bustards politicians who have been drinking the blood of our country... they liberated the country for their wills... go...and enjoy the libation with them....
but to me... they r no better than pakistanis.... they r doing the same as pakistanis used to do to this country... that's why i dont see my country as an independent one. may b u r independent but those ppl who represent bangladesh the most[farmers and workers] r not independent yet... and i Tanbin Hasnain will be working for them till the end of me...

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yess brother.... we never should forget about those incident... y should we...?? who told u to...?? never forget those incident...pervez musharaf apologized for that...i know, that's not enough... nothing will be enough for thos 30 millions lives... but i give u an equation, we fight for 9months and lost 30millions lof ours for the victory... indians came, fought for 9dayz....and lost not mor than 3000... but they take away the surrender letter... they took the prize... we r in the same possition we were before... we have nothing but a brand new name and a flag... what have we earn by losing 30millions lives....??

and about the pakistani teachings.... no one loves the losing story... history itself is a story of winners.... so, it's obvious that they wont teach them how they lost the war....:P same way america dosnt say that they lost the war against vietnam... they never mension they were alwayz against the liberation of Bangladesh.... so, it's normal....

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no one loves the losing story... history itself is a story of winners

It is true that history is written by the victor, but you must remember that you can't keep your eyes covered all the time.

the question here is where do we want Bangladesh to be in another 36 years. Surly we can't keep on going on as we are just taking a few steps at a time, first we must cleanup our political situation then all other things will follow. Once this is done will the person on the street will re4cieve the benefits, sure for us it will be too late but one thing for sure is that at least i have a country that i can call my own and that is all that i want at present.

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