Let me share few pictures of Kobiguru Rabindronath Thakur( Rabindranath Tagore) with you on his 145th Birthday!

Tagore's conversation with Einstein in 1930

Tagore and Einstein met through a common friend, Dr. Mendel. Tagore visited Einstein at his residence at Kaputh in the suburbs of Berlin on July 14, 1930, and Einstein returned the call and visited Tagore at the Mendel home. Both conversations were recorded and the above photograph was taken. The July 14 conversation is reproduced here, and was originally published in The Religion of Man (George, Allen & Unwin, Ltd., London), Appendix II, pp. 222-225.
TAGORE: I was discussing with Dr. Mendel today the new mathematical discoveries which tell us that in the realm of infinitesimal atoms chance has its play; the drama of existence is not absolutely predestined in character.

EINSTEIN: The facts that make science tend toward this view do not say good-bye to causality.

TAGORE: Maybe not, yet it appears that the idea of causality is not in the elements, but that some other force builds up with them an organized universe.

EINSTEIN: One tries to understand in the higher plane how the order is. The order is there, where the big elements combine and guide existence, but in the minute elements this order is not perceptible.

TAGORE: Thus duality is in the depths of existence, the contradiction of free impulse and the directive will which works upon it and evolves an orderly scheme of things.

EINSTEIN: Modern physics would not say they are contradictory. Clouds look as one from a distance, but if you see them nearby, they show themselves as disorderly drops of water.

TAGORE: I find a parallel in human psychology. Our passions and res are unruly, but our character subdues these elements into a harmonious whole. Does something similar to this happen in the physical world? Are the elements rebellious, dynamic with individual impulse? And is there a principle in the physical world which dominates them and puts them into an orderly organization?

EINSTEIN: Even the elements are not without statistical order; elements of radium will always maintain their specific order, now and ever onward, just as they have done all along. There is, then, a statistical order in the elements.
TAGORE: Otherwise, the drama of existence would be too desultory. It is the constant harmony of chance and determination which makes it eternally new and living.

EINSTEIN: I believe that whatever we do or live for has its causality; it is good, however, that we cannot see through to it.

TAGORE: There is in human affairs an element of elasticity also, some freedom within a small range which is for the expression of our personality. It is like the musical system in India, which is not so rigidly fixed as western music. Our composers give a certain definite outline, a system of melody and rhythmic arrangement, and within a certain limit the player can improvise upon it. He must be one with the law of that particular melody, and then he can give spontaneous expression to his musical feeling within the prescribed regulation. We praise the composer for his genius in creating a foundation along with a superstructure of melodies, but we expect from the player his own skill in the creation of variations of melodic flourish and ornamentation. In creation we follow the central law of existence, but if we do not cut ourselves adrift from it, we can have sufficient freedom within the limits of our personality for the fullest self-expression.

EINSTEIN: That is possible only when there is a strong artistic tradition in music to guide the people's mind. In Europe, music has come too far away from popular art and popular feeling and has become something like a secret art with conventions and traditions of its own.

TAGORE: You have to be absolutely obedient to this too complicated music. In India, the measure of a singer's freedom is in his own creative personality. He can sing the composer's song as his own, if he has the power creatively to assert himself in his interpretation of the general law of the melody which he is given to interpret.

EINSTEIN: It requires a very high standard of art to realize fully the great idea in the original music, so that one can make variations upon it. In our country, the variations are often prescribed.

TAGORE: If in our conduct we can follow the law of goodness, we can have real liberty of self-expression. The principle of conduct is there, but the character which makes it true and individual is our own creation. In our music there is a duality of freedom and prescribed order.

EINSTEIN: Are the words of a song also free? I mean to say, is the singer at liberty to add his own words to the song which he is singing?

TAGORE: Yes. In Bengal we have a kind of song-kirtan, we call it-which gives freedom to the singer to introduce parenthetical comments, phrases not in the original song. This occasions great enthusiasm, since the audience is constantly thrilled by some beautiful, spontaneous sentiment added by the singer.

EINSTEIN: Is the metrical form quite severe?

TAGORE: Yes, quite. You cannot exceed the limits of versification; the singer in all his variations must keep the rhythm and the time, which is fixed. In European music you have a comparative liberty with time, but not with melody.

EINSTEIN: Can the Indian music be sung without words? Can one understand a song without words?

TAGORE: Yes, we have songs with unmeaning words, sounds which just help to act as carriers of the notes. In North India, music is an independent art, not the interpretation of words and thoughts, as in Bengal. The music is very intricate and subtle and is a complete world of melody by itself.

EINSTEIN: Is it not polyphonic?

TAGORE: Instruments are used, not for harmony, but for keeping time and adding to the volume and depth. Has melody suffered in your music by the imposition of harmony?

EINSTEIN: Sometimes it does suffer very much. Sometimes the harmony swallows up the melody altogether.

TAGORE: Melody and harmony are like lines and colors in pictures. A simple linear picture may be completely beautiful; the introduction of color may make it vague and insignificant. Yet color may, by combination with lines, create great pictures, so long as it does not smother and destroy their value.

EINSTEIN: It is a beautiful comparison; line is also much older than color. It seems that your melody is much richer in structure than ours. Japanese music also seems to be so.

TAGORE: It is difficult to analyze the effect of eastern and western music on our minds. I am deeply moved by the western music; I feel that it is great, that it is vast in its structure and grand in its composition. Our own music touches me more deeply by its fundamental lyrical appeal. European music is epic in character; it has a broad background and is Gothic in its structure.

EINSTEIN: This is a question we Europeans cannot properly answer, we are so used to our own music. We want to know whether our own music is a conventional or a fundamental human feeling, whether to feel consonance and dissonance is natural, or a convention which we accept.

TAGORE: Somehow the piano confounds me. The violin pleases me much more.

EINSTEIN: It would be interesting to study the effects of European music on an Indian who had never heard it when he was young.

TAGORE: Once I asked an English musician to analyze for me some classical music, and explain to me what elements make for the beauty of the piece.

EINSTEIN: The difficulty is that the really good music, whether of the East or of the West, cannot be analyzed.

TAGORE: Yes, and what deeply affects the hearer is beyond himself.

EINSTEIN: The same uncertainty will always be there about everything fundamental in our experience, in our reaction to art, whether in Europe or in Asia. Even the red flower I see before me on your table may not be the same to you and me.

TAGORE: And yet there is always going on the process of reconciliation between them, the individual taste conforming to the universal standard.

What a nice post!

excellent and very rare collection! thanks a lot Dream for your unique sharings! Nice article abt the great poet with Einstein!

It was published on the eve of poet's 145the birth anniversary!



আমার এ গান ছেড়েছে তার সকল অলংকার,
তোমার কাছে রাখে নি আর সাজের অহংকার।
অলংকার যে মাঝে পড়ে মিলনেতে আড়াল করে,
তোমার কথা ঢাকে যে তার মুখর ঝংকার।
তোমার কাছে খাটে না মোর কবির গর্ব করা,
মহাকবি তোমার পায়ে দিতে যে চাই ধরা।
জীবন লয়ে যতন করি যদি সরল বাঁশি গড়ি,
আপন সুরে দিবে ভরি সকল ছিদ্র তার।

thank you Dream for such a nice and interessting post!

Good But, BisshoKobi- I dont agree, I have asked people in North America if they knew Rabi Tagore, Not a Single person could answer. I wish people would Remember Kazi Najrul Islam and Michael Modhushodun Datta (was such a Brilliant writer, introducer of Sonnet in Bangla Literature) more than Anyone else.

hi jnathan, biswhakobi doesnt mean that all people in the world must know the poet. it means who have thought and written about the people of the world. in the us many of the US students DONT know where Iraq is! isnt surprizing? how these people will know who the hell biswhakobi is!

but i talked to many of my colleagues, students, general people in sweden abt this great poet! they informed me that even some of them have already studied the writings of Tagore. since the nobel prize started in 1901 there are many nobel laureate in literature. it is quite hard to remember a poet from india. but surprizingly many of swedish people know who he is!

it also depends on the class, where you put the questions! if you ask somebody who are running after Subway trains in NY or who just go to job, work 15 hrs a day and sleep rest of the time then you did a great mistake! if you have been in NY, then you must have notived that how people are running after work and dont have time to sleep either. they are so tired and sleepy in the subways. so, how do you expect that they will know your poets from Bangladesh?

for your kind information, Kazi Nazrul Islam and Modhusudhon are very well known in England and rest of the world. but unfortunately not as famous as Tagore, as he received nobel prize! i met some people who even know abt the poem NARI by Nazrul Islam that is an unique creation in the world literature. if you have some habit of going to some cultural centres in Dhaka then might have noticed that many of the works of our naitonal poet, Kazi Nazrul Islam are already translated in many languages. that means people know who he is!

at last, please try to find some positive things, NOT always run after nagative things. be optimistic, not pessimistic!

It is hilarious!!! This is the first time I find someone talking such way about Bishsho Kobi!! You are worried about North America!! C’mon, how many in Bangladesh and India know who Rabindranath Tagore was? I can bet the number is significantly less than number of people who know Amitabh Bachchan and Shahrukh Khan! It really does not matter, does it? It does not confiscate the title “Bishhokobi” from this Nobel Laureate. Where North America is concerned, how many people know who is Toni Morrison? How many in USA know who John L. Hall, Thomas Schelling and Roy Glauber are? Do you know a significant portion of US population do not know their president’s full name? Many do not even know who Condeleezza Rice is!

If you had asked Einstein, he sure could tell you who Tagore was! Moreover, as I said before (http://www.banglatorrents.com/general-talk-main/3155-rabindra-jayonti.html) Tagore’s literary works have won worldwide acclamations and especially venerated throughout Europe. At that time Europe meant lot more than US.

Last but not least, what all those pictures (displayed on top) tell you about Rabindranath Tagore’s worldwide fame????

Awesome post buddy. Well done.

Very rare collections Dream. Thanks a lot.

Robindro Nath prosonge duto kotha mone porche.

Ekbar Robindro Nather gown banate dewa hole dorji beke boshe, Se bole robindro nath K tar debtullo mone hoy tar bohu diner shokh robindro nather dari chuye dekhar, take dari chute dewa hole se binamulle gown toiri kore dibe.

George Bernard Shaw bolechilen, Robindro Nath K ami sob dik diyeii hariye diyechi kebol dari chara.

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Dr. Mohammed Yunus

সোনার তরী
– রবীন্দ্রনাথ ঠাকুর

গগনে গরজে মেঘ, ঘন বরষা।
কূলে একা বসে আছি, নাহি ভরসা।
রাশি রাশি ভারা ভারা ধান কাটা হলো সারা,
ভরা নদী ক্ষূরধারা খরপরশা-
কাটিতে কাটিতে ধান এলো বরষা।।
একখানি ছোটো খেত, আমি একেলা-
চারি দিকে বাঁকা জল করিছে খেলা।
পরপারে দেখি আঁকা তরুছায়া-মসীমাখা
গ্রামখানি মেঘে ঢাকা প্রভাতবেলা।
এ পারেতে ছোটো খেত, আমি একেলা।।
গান গেয়ে তরী বেয়ে কে আসে পারে !
দেখে যেন মনে হয়, চিনি উহারে।
ভরা পালে চলে যায়, কোন দিকে নাহি চায়,
ঢেউগুলি নিরুপায় ভাঙ্গে দু ধারে-
দেখে যেন মনে হয়, চিনি উহারে।।
ওগো, তুমি কোথা যাও কোন বিদেশে?
বারেক ভিড়াও তরী কূলেতে এসে।
যেয়ো যেথা যেতে চাও, যারে খুশি তারে দাও-
শুধু তুমি নিয়া যাও ক্ষণিক হেসে
আমার সোনার ধান কূলেতে এসে।।
যতো চাও তত নাও তরনী-’ পরে।
আর আছে? আর নাই, দিয়েছি ভরে।
এতকাল নদীকূলে যাহা লয়ে ছিনু ভুলে
সকলই দিলাম তুলে থরে বিথারে-
এখন আমারে লহো করুনা করে।।
ঠাঁই নাই, ঠাঁই নাই, ছোটো সে তরী
আমারি সোনার ধানে গিয়েছে ভরি।
শ্রাবণগগন ঘিরে ঘন মেঘ ঘুরে ফিরে,
শূণ্য নদীর তীরে রহিনু পড়ি-
যাহা ছিল নিয়ে গেল সোনার তরী।।

Thank you Kana-Baba for "shonar Tori".

chomotkar kobita. darun kaj korechen post kore. Kana-Baba Bhai, dhonnobad apnake.

A different look at Tagore. This article was mostly based on late Ahmed Sharif's 'Robindra Rabindruttor Trityo Projonmey Rabindra Mullayan'. He wrote similar articles about Nazrul. I provide this to bring in a new dimension to Robindra-chetona. Needless to say, this is not my personal view.



Rabindranath Tagore
by Shakil Sarwar


Rabindranath Tagore had always been portrayed larger than his life. Hardly people tried or dared to criticize him of his shortcomings. Those who tried to do so failed to propound sufficient supportive arguments. I have taken the trouble of crudely translating some excerpts I collected over the last few years. I wanted to share these with the readers. I am yet to read about Prof Humayun Azad's book 'Nari' where he exposed Rabindranath's anti-feminist views.

After I read a nice article written by one Muhammad Alamgir, I though about elaborating certain points with quotes from Hindu writers. Following is basically a compilation of excerpts taken from books and essays mostly written by Calcatian hindu writers who are basically Rabindra researchers. I hope some readers would be benefitted by this although this will most probably serve no purpose to the blind Rabindra followers mostly comprising of Awamis.


Tagore's Religious Belief:

"Rabindranath discussed about this Hindu-Muslim issue during the census of 1819. He said, 'I was born in a Hindu family, but accepted Brahmo religion. ... The religion we accepted is universal in nature; however, it is basically the religion of the Hindus. We accepted this universal religion with the heart of Hindus." [Probhatkumar Mukharjee, Rabindrajiboni O Rabindrashahityo Probeyshok, vol 3, 3rd ed., published by Biswa Bharati Publishing Division in Poush 1395, pp.364-365].

"Tapobon Bidyala (school), a ashram established to instill ancient hindu ideology, took the shade of hindutva. Tagore started to turn himself into a very devout hindu. Gradually, casteism-based aparthied, injunctions of Manu Sanghita, and Brahminic glorification crept into their way into the school environ. Tagore decreed that a non-Brahmin teacher did not deserve salutation (pronam) from his Brahmin students. In a letter written to Manoranjan Banerjee in Agrahayan 19, 1309 Tagore clarified his position on the issue of salutation in these words, 'No non-hindu customs would be allowed into this school; It is imperative that students express their respect to Brahmin professors by touching their feet (pronum) and utter namasker to non-Brahmin teachers as per the rules set aside by Manu Sanghita.' " [Satyendranath Roy, 'Rabindra Manoney Hindu Dharma', The Desh, Autumn issue, 1905, p.305]


Tagore established Biswa Bharati to re-vitalize ancient hindu customs and ideology. In this effort, Hindi Bhavan (Building) was established in Shantiniketan on January 16 (sunday), 1938 (Magh 2, 1344). It is of no surprise that Tagore had very close friendship with Pundit Madonmohan Malabya -- a prominent leader of Kashi Hindu University and Hindu Mohashava.


When asked about the usefulness of Hindu Mohashava, Tagore said that he considered this movement more important than a mere political undertaking. 'Hindus would have to unite if they want to remain alive and not remain downtrodden for ever in the human society.' [From an interview with Tagore by journalist Mrinalkanti Bose in response to a statement by Modanmohan Malabya, Rabindra-Proshongo/Anandabazar Patrika, 1993, edited by Chittaranjan Banerjee, vol 1, pp. 259-260].


Tagore's Benevolence:

"Not only Zamindar Rabindranath or the entire Tagore dynasty did not have any record of donating anything, he did not have any reputation of making any donation towards primary schools, orphanage or dam constructions in Shahzadpur, Shilaidoh or Patishor. On the contrary, conniving threat from Tagore dynasty, Kangal Harinath Majumdar published narrative of Tagore dynasty's oppression and setting of arson to the entire villages." [Prof Ahmed Sharif, Rabindruttor Trityo Projonmey Rabindra Mullayan, Quaterly Uttaradhikar, published by Bangla Academy, Baisakh-Ashar issue, 1393].


Narayan Choudhury had this to say about Tagore, "Tagore had always been supporter of Zamindari system. It would be very hard to present any proof that he was saddened on seeing repression on the subjects. He even opposed the transfer of lands to the subjects on the argument that that measure would pave the way to misappropriation of lands." [Promoth Choudhury, Ryot'er Katha (introduction section) and Bataynik'er Patra].


in 1894 he raised the tax levied on his subjects. He even purchased new Zamindari from the Martin Company. There had been incidents of rebellion by the subjects due to raising of tax and collection of tax by force. Tagore suppressed that rebellion with great success! One Ismail Mollah led the rebellion against Tagore in Shilaidoh.


Intolerant Tagore:

"Tagore was not accustomed to tolerate any unfavourable criticism of him. Had there been nobody to protest in his favour, he used to defend himself by writing under pen names. Tagore-lover and Tagore-blessed Annadashankar Roy said, 'Tagore used to remove or destroy any evidence of his mistakes, criticisms or misdeeds with utmost care.' " [Prof Ahmed Sharif, Rabindruttor Trityo Projonmey Rabindra Mullayan, Quaterly Uttaradhikar, published by Bangla Academy, Baisakh-Ashar issue, 1393].


"Muslims could have trusted Hindus had the Hindus did not raise the issue of reservation at every step starting from 1909 till 1937. Bengalee Hindus opposed all regional divisions from 1932 to 1937, and Tagore extended his support in his speeches in those days. Didn't the main anxiety emanate from the fact that higher caste Hindus would loose their majority due to the numerical superiority of the Muslims and the Sudras (lower caste peope)? What this meant was that (putting aside the issue of Sudras), we did not believe the Muslims. Hindu interests wouldn't be looked after under Muslim majority rule -- wasn't this the reason? Were Syed Ahmed of Aligarh, Nawab of Dacca or Jinnah the only believers of Two Nation Theory? Weren't the suspicious Hindus also believers of Two Nation Theory?"


"In the Jaistha, 1343 issue of the Mohammadi magazine, a writer protested about the inclusion of some objectionable items in the Matriculation Bengali text book. One of them was a poem called 'Bicharok' (Judge) by Raghunath Rao. It contained lines like,

Cholechhi Koritey Jobon Nipat,
Jogatey Jom'er Khadya.

[Here I go to kill Muslims,
To collect fodder for Yama (Hindu God of Death).]


Angry Tagore chided the letter writer in his rebuttal." [[Nityapryo Ghose, 'Swatantro Botey, Kintu Birudhho Ki?', The Desh, May 1, 1999]



Communal Tagore:

"Lot of similarity can be observed between the thoughts of Rabindranath and those of Ramendrasundar Trivedi and Brahmobandhob Upadya with respect to national issues and religion. Brahmobandhab wanted to view Hindu nationalism and Hindu society as the manifestation of Indian culture; By the term 'Hindutva' he meant both Hindu nationality and Hindu culture. The first essay appearing in the maiden issue of Bangodarshan magazine was 'Devotion of Hindu Society' written by Brahmobandhab." [Probhatkumar Mukharjee, Rabindrajiboni O Rabindrashahityo Probeyshok, vol 2, published by Biswa Bharati Publishing Division, p.23].


"In another letter addressed to Maharaja Kumar of Tripura, Tagore wrote from Shantiniketan (Baisakh 7, 1309), 'There exists acute shortage of Brahman and Khatrya people in the Indian subcontinent -- all of us have become sudras after being attacked with distress. With firm determination in mind, I have gotten myself deeply devoted, with utmost abilities, to the cause of re-establishing Brahmanic idelogy. I advise you to spread the ideology of Khatrya after being imbibed with Khatrya ideology in your heart.' " [ibid, p.41]


Tagore was not only a devout hindu but a highly anti-Muslim character. Even Prof Ahmed Sharif passed the following comments about him, "It does not bear any shred of liberal non-communalism on his part when almost all of his subjects in his Zamindari were Muslims, slaughtering of cows was banned, increased amount of taxes were collected by force or new hindu settlements were established to repress the protesting voices." [Prof Ahmed Sharif, Rabindruttor Trityo Projonmey Rabindra Mullayan, Quater